You wouldn’t post your residential address on your Facebook profile, so why allow your photographs to?
Russ Ptacek from NBC reports of a new threat, where criminals can now cherry pick from online pictures to find out your location, where you work, where your children go to school and even your favorite hang out from a simple picture you have posted online.
NBC Conducted a case study with NBC action staffer Susan McDonald and her daughter Lani. She was given a smart phone just to see how easy it is for someone to find your location after posting a photo online.
NBC then uploaded these photos onto Twitter, Facebook, Craig’s list & Photo bucket. Just by searching for locals, hundreds of pictures of children uploaded simply by their parents to share with family and friends were visible and so was their location. With just a right click of the mouse to access the data file, there was a selection of children and their location ready to be used by criminals.
This is a full threat and although it is unknown whether criminals are already using this technique, it was not even known to crime experts! Office Mark Chudik of Leawood Police stated that this is the “biggest threat online” to parents and the safety of their children.
When tested, this technique enabled NBC investigation team to find “Lani’s” bed room location, her primary school, her favorite fast food restaurant and even her local park!
So, just how does this invasion of privacy come about? According to Deep Medhi, a Computer scientist at UMKC, smart phones leave a high tech invisible trail using the same Geo- tracking software used by the social media platform “four square” and used by hand held map applications. Additionally you can simply download this applications for free to easily upload data about someone’s location.
Raising awareness about inadvertent information sharing is the site “I can stalk.com” which re-posts pictures of unknowing users and tracks their location in real time just to demonstrate how easy of a threat it is to people. The site also has a section on how to deactivate Geo – technology on your smart phone.
I followed these actions on my Samsung Galaxy 2 very easily as you can see in the picture on your left. If you have another smart phone model, click here to view more instructions.
It is an easy fix, however please share this with your friends and especially family members with children, it is a simple privacy issue and it must be known to protect the safety of our children and our private location.
Part 2 of Online Marketing Consultant Samuel Junghenn On StartupClub.tv! In this episode Samuel reflects on Think Big Online’s integrated marketing technique and answers the questions about the “Bigger” picture of Online Marketing. Additionally Samuel discusses advertising, PPC, SEO, Social Media, Email marketing, auto responders and Video Marketing.
Part one of Samuel Junghenn being interviewed by Start Up TV! Samuel discuses the essence of Online Marketing, tips on outsourcing employment and answers the scenarios you need to know for dealing with critical business decisions and those not so easy customers!
Samuel Junghenn: We are Think Big Online – an online marketing agency in Sydney. We currently have about 27 staff and use a hybrid model wherein we have our high level quality control people based in Sydney as well as a number of people overseas so that we can reduce staff cost and provide better value to clients.
Geoff Kwitko: It’s a very efficient model and you mentioned that you have staff from a range of different countries and in some of those countries you have people who are higher skilled for a third of the cost and you can pass that sort of savings on to your clients.
Samuel: That’s exactly right and you can employ people overseas with PhD’s for much less than the standard cost right here and it really makes sense…
Geoff: Now I’m curious because when I hire overseas staff I actually have a feeling of giving back or a feeling of helping. You could donate to World Vision or give to those communities through the traditional channels but I honestly feel that when I hire a Filipino or someone from Kenya or whatever, I actually feel that I am giving back to those local communities and helping to foster positive economies in those areas. Do you feel that as well or is that just me?
Samuel: No and absolutely it’s very fulfilling and they tend to be a lot more grateful for their job and very appreciative of anything that you give. We have instances when we started off and we had this one girl who had her own business which was like one of those carts that you have on the side of the road in the Philippines.
She wasn’t earning very much money and was always doing a little bit of work on the side. She is a very good worker and got good work ethics that I think she works more than I do! She just loves to work and earn money!
Geoff: It’s about providing for the family and giving back. I find with Filipinos in particular that their morality, honesty and dedication – I love Australian culture and I love the country that we are from but we just don’t find that here in Australia. You don’t find people saying “When would you like me to work? I’ll work 3am on a Sunday morning if that’s what it takes to provide the service that you need”. That level of dedication is amazing which is why bringing on overseas people to support you is certainly a great model isn’t it?
Samuel: Yes it’s fantastic! Part of this particular girl’s motivation is to provide more for her parents because her parents can’t work and since she started she has been amazing that we ended up employing her brother as well so now we kind of support the whole family.
Geoff: I often found that as well because I hire a lot of transcriptionist, video editors and I find that there are a certain tasks which are really well suited for the Philippines for example but anything that is high level and strategic has to be handled by someone from Australia. Would you agree with that?
Samuel: Yes absolutely. You can create systems and set procedures in place that can help them become better. There’s so much to learn about internet marketing. If everything stopped today you would never be able to learn everything in a lifetime. It’s pretty hard to expect that from the people that you are working with.
Geoff: One of the things that I’ve learned about outsourcing is to not expect more out of people that what is reasonable. Personally, I’m the kind of person who believes in himself. I believe in myself and my ability to learn, adapt and take on challenges but not everyone is like that and some people like to stick with whatever role that they are trained in. I learned some hard lessons trying to squeeze strategy and strategic thinking, planning and creativity out of people that aren’t necessarily like that.
How do you interview your people? I know a lot of startup club members are probably thinking about how they like the idea of saving money but are worried that their Filipino staff or someone from Belarus, or Africa – how would I know that these people are really good people with the right skills? What do you say to people that are concerned about that?
Samuel: The first thing is what are you presupposing when you are thinking that they may not be good people? It doesn’t matter if it’s someone from Australia, Philippines, India, and Belarus or wherever – just because they are on the other side of the world doesn’t mean that you can trust them any less. It doesn’t mean that you can trust them more and flip through the hiring process. It’s the first road block that I see people come up against a lot.
When it comes to trusting, there are plenty of fantastic tools that you can use like oDesk. You can hire and monitor what your people are doing from there and that sort of stuff if you want to.
Geoff: I would actually argue that I have a much tighter control and a better understanding as to what my staff are really doing and the quality of the work because I am able to look at what they are doing with screenshots every 15mins. I’m in constant communication through Skype so I’ve hired lots of face to face staff literally in the same office over there.
Samuel: You can see them opening Facebook
Geoff: Exactly right and you’ll see whether they are billing for time that is not necessarily productive and that kind of thing while on oDesk. You’ll have evidence or proof and you can actually request refunds for time billed. I certainly agree that just because they are on the other side of the world and managed remotely, it doesn’t mean that they are any different and it’s just like they are in the same office!
Samuel: So I guess it’s the question around the hiring process. I’ve coached a lot of people on hiring before and something that comes up a lot is that they try to find exactly the right person through the interview process and they’ll spend countless hours on it.
Now it may kind of go against the grade and against what everyone else teaches out there but we have a very streamlined and fast hiring process. We will put up a job posting whether it’s for web design or coding and put specific things in there such as little tasks for them to do for us to know that they’ve actually read the job post.
Geoff: Yeah you tend to get so many standard responses. I always do an interview question, challenge, find the answer to this question or answer the question because if they are not going to read the job posts then they right from the beginning showing the dedication and respect that you are looking for.
Samuel: Exactly and even if you put your questions in there sometimes you get people to read it but they don’t do what you ask. It might be a simple five minute thing if they are going for a full time job.
Geoff: Yeah and if they are not going to follow those instructions then they are probably not going to follow any instructions.
Samuel: Exactly and sometimes you have people coming back saying if they actually have to do that five minute job and you’ll know straight away that they are probably not the right suit for you.
Geoff: I actually think that you can interview precisely and interview with more practical challenges through outsourcing and oDesk. It can almost be considered rude if you are hiring a local Australian and this applies to most other first world countries as well. It is kind of rude to have someone come to your office saying here’s my resume and you say “Okay, please sit down and do a 15 minute test” or “I want to see how fast you can transcribe this and I want to see what you can do in video editing”.
They would be like – I thought this was an interview? But on oDesk and other sites like Elance and Guru, the culture is that you need to prove to the employer that you can actually do it which actually means showing them what you can do. That’s what an interview should be – it should be practical!
Samuel: Exactly! It’s a good process and it’s not as scary as what most people think. A lot of people are worried about hiring someone and entrusting them with login details for your website or whatever it might be. You got to have a little bit of faith and what you put out there is kind of what comes back to you.
Geoff: And the rating system – I wish there was a “rating system” for traditional face to face office work in Australia. On ODesk, you can see the past 50 employers and what they said about the staff as well as their rating and skills. You don’t have that on a resume and on a resume you’ll find only the stuff that they want you to know about.
On oDesk, they have to preserve their reputation because that is their lifeblood. If they get a bad rating, it will probably make it more difficult for them to get more work.
Samuel: That’s the thing as well and you see a lot of people with new profiles. If you are listening to this and if you are thinking of hiring someone, you have to be a little bit more cautious about people that don’t have any ratings at all because sometimes what they do is if they had a bad profile in the past or bad feedback from the work they’ve done, they ditch that account and build a new one.
Geoff: Yes to try to start fresh. Sometimes it’s a bit of an excuse and you can generally find the ones that aren’t new because they know how it all works. They know all about the technology, software and how the payment works when they are meant to be new.
Now would you say that Think Big is unique in the sense that you are able to give that lower price? Is that one of your main focuses, being able to give that lower price because of outsourcing? How would you define Think Big and what is the unique aspect of Think Big?
Samuel: Our whole intention from the start was to create a fully integrated agency that actually works.
Geoff: As opposed to what? What are you trying to stay away from? What are some bad things or examples that you’ve seen out there with your competitors?
Samuel: Well we’ve seen a lot of companies that offer SEO, social media, PPC, conversions and that sort of stuff but the way they run them is that they run them totally independent of each other and don’t tire them all together. We look at it more like an ecosystem.
Geoff: So it’s an integrated marketing mix? So your SEO supports and correlates with your pay-per-click and then your social media takes effect from that and you have video marketing to achieve certain goals. It’s all about tying it all together right?
Samuel: Exactly and cross-pollinating it as well. You should be touching people and so you’ve got to touch them everywhere and you got to touch them in multiple places.
Geoff: Yeah and at multiple times and at multiple different ways! I think of Facebook as the Sunday night barbecue. I think of LinkedIn as having orange juice and handing out business cards at the local networking club or whatever. Google Search is the library. People browse and use the internet and different ways and if you have your brand in every single different part of their life, it becomes part of their life!
Samuel: Yeah exactly and we get a lot of compliments or comments for our business with people saying we’ve seen you everywhere. We’ve seen you on Youtube.
Geoff: Is that because of remarketing? I get a lot of comments saying I see your ads absolutely everywhere I go and I was like – that’s the impression I want to give!
Remarketing for the viewers basically means that when someone visits your website, you can essentially follow them with adwords so wherever they go, there could be Adwords following them through the Google display network. You can actually create some fancy rules for example people who visit the checkout page but don’t actually buy so the people you lose through checkout anxiety or maybe they got too busy, you can actually follow them and say hey you didn’t finish your order come back!
Samuel: We are watching
Geoff: Yeah we are watching you. It can be a little scary so you don’t want to take it too far. There’s a lot of amazing features of online marketing like tracking and so on. It’s only possible with online marketing.
Let’s get started with the scenarios? A great way for startup club members to decide whether you are the real deal and whether you should win the deal is to take you to a bit of scenarios. Obviously we vetted for you and we think that you are a high quality company. We will be happy to show you off to our members but our members are probably wondering if this guy suits me.
What I want to do is to tell you a little bit of a story about a hypothetical customer and this customer has been running for two to three years with a face to face sports store. It could be a little bit like Rebel Sports or Powerhouse sports and they sell crickets, tennis balls, tennis rackets, sports shoes and all the traditional stuff.
In the last two to three years, it became very clear that they just can’t compete with direct china imports and all the online shopping stores these days. So they realized that they have to bite the bullet and we have to go online. They come to you and say that we are thinking of actually shutting down our face to face store or at least minimizing it or complimenting it online. Is this the right choice and are we making the wrong decision? Is online really as powerful as we hear and is retail really as bad as everyone is saying? What advice do you have and what would you say to that person?
Samuel: The first thing is I would politely let them know that it absolutely works! I can’t remember the exact study but around 50 percent of our sales are coming from overseas at the moment with online shopping because the Australian ecommerce is just not providing it. People are spending their money elsewhere and importing from all over the world.
Geoff: eBay, Alibaba and Amazon. People want to buy Aussie – they generally do but it’s just not price competitive and there’s just not enough options.
Samuel: Yeah and even if you look at something like the Iconic. I think they do around a million dollars a day in sales just from Australia. All their products are here in Australia but people don’t offer them even if the business is importing them through an Australian based online store. There is still massive opportunity there but it’s just not utilized by Australian companies.
I don’t know but I think it’s because we are a little bit behind the US and the UK. People generally haven’t caught on to the fact that online is a real business
Geoff: I think businesses are just starting to really take it seriously because they are seeing it in their bottom line. They are having customers come in to their store and say hey I’ve done a price comparison using an XYZ tool and I can see that I can buy this for 40 percent cheaper than what you are selling it at. The thing is that the local retail store can’t afford to lower their prices and compete with prices online because they have the additional cost of staff, rent, insurance, lighting and a bunch of other things. It’s just not possible. They are seeing it in their bottom line and are starting to catch on I think.
Samuel: Yeah they are indeed starting to and I guess to answer your question, absolutely there is massive opportunity there and it is a real business. So many people spend $500 on a store filler art but they are saying that their budget for a website is around…
Geoff: It’s $2000 for my website! My entire online business spends more on electricity in a few months than their entire online business platform. Yeah very good point!
Samuel: We are still on the gold rush days. The wave is here and before we hit the back of the wave now is the time to be jumping on it but the barrier for entry is too low. There’s a lot people out there putting up websites for under $2000 dollars and expect to earn half a million within the next 3 to 6 months. It’s just all a little bit unrealistic.
Geoff: With the barrier entry being so low – you can achieve a lot with just $2000. Would you agree that you can put up an effective website out there particularly if you are using self make tools life Shopify and set up entire eCommerce platforms for just $50 a month if you have the skills to do it?
Samuel: Yeah absolutely
Geoff: But the fact that you can get it cheap doesn’t mean that is where you should stop.
Samuel: No that is exactly right and I guess when it comes to people wanting to talk to people like yourself or me they often don’t see the value behind in “what they don’t know don’t know” because there is just so much more out there that can be done to improve your business and create this exponential… – I don’t really know what to call it.
Geoff: It’s about getting a quick break-even or return of investment in the initial capital outlay of building your initial site but it’s more about building sustainable revenue streams. It’s not just about doing something that is only good during the gold rush days but as soon as more competitors pop up will no longer be effective. It’s about building a business and a business needs to be sustainable.
Samuel: Absolutely and the world of online businesses is moving very quickly and if you want to stay you have to keep your finger on the pulse and keep adapting. We have an example of a big shoe company that came to us 3 years ago. They were looking to get their business online and already had a shopping cart set up but it was kind of clunky and required a lot of work. They weren’t prepared to invest the time and money required for the resources three years ago which was quite minimal to get them up to speed.
Geoff: You know what I bet they are regretting it now right?
Samuel: You can look at Style Tread for example in the last 2 years started from zero into a million dollar company in 2 years. This is the opportunity cost – it’s a well known brand and shoe company. This is the opportunity missed and it potentially cost them tens of millions of dollars because they didn’t really understand how much opportunity was there.
Geoff: I also feel that it is our responsibility as internet marketers to educate and help people become aware of the risks and the opportunity cost, the opportunities , the risk of not only making the decision but the risk of also making the decision. I get very frustrated when I see internet marketing consultants saying that we guarantee you the number 1 position and you’ll be rolling in money. It’s not that simple and I’ve been through a lot of people to realize that we have to execute effectively, we must have the right strategy and yes there is the opportunity.
Samuel: Yeah and that ties in with what I’ve said before that you have to treat it like a real business. In a real business and when I say real I mean an actual brick and mortar business, you’ll have to set up a retail store front. You don’t setup a retail store front then put these signs and be guaranteed to hit the money straight away. It’s this gradual and progressive thing that you’ve got to have reasonable expectations about.
Geoff: Yeah absolutely. Okay so let’s say that sports Company is convinced and would like to take the next step. They obviously would like to do eCommerce by setting up an online store and put their products on there. That’s a bit of a given but can I ask you what platform would you recommend? Would you do a software service platform like Shopify or would you install custom software like Magento or something like that? What advice would you give them?
Samuel: Our preference is self-hosted things so it would either be Magento or WordPress. We’ve used Magento for quite awhile but WordPress has caught up in the eCommerce side of things.
Geoff: I completely agree and to be able to integrate like what you mentioned before about integrated marketing. To be able to integrate your website and the content of your site in with your community, eCommerce, video marketing, email marketing, etc. – having that one WordPress platform helps with that integration doesn’t it?
Samuel: Absolutely and WordPress is the most powerful and cost-effective thing out there
Geoff: Most of the plugins are free and WordPress itself is free not to mention that hosting is very cheap yeah?
Samuel: Yeah and we are moving away from Magento and moving more towards WordPress.
Geoff: Yeah me too actually.
Samuel: It’s a very good platform to get started on.
Geoff: Great answer and I agree! So let’s say you’ve chosen one of leading eCommerce plugins and there are a few choices that I’m sure clients would like to speak about according to their needs. Where would you go next? I mean once you’ve built their basic website and got all their basic information in there such as the Company and all the things you would expect in their eCommerce system, what’s next? How would you further create a strong and sustainable marketing platform for them? Where do they get traffic and how else can they take their business to the next level?
Samuel: Yeah well kind of the way we work is that we get into our client’s mind even before we build the website. If they were in this scenario running an offline business and they say that they would like to go online and create a sustainable business out of it, we would look at their end goals and how much money they would like to make in 1, 2 or 5 years. We then work our way back to that and look at the different strategies that we could drive for that particular market and where we would be able to grab that traffic. We then build a massive mind map indicating where to potentially go and where we think would provide the best ROI in the shortest amount of time so that the marketing can become self-funding.
Geoff: Absolutely and that is the eventual goal for clients. The point where in any profit made from the website gets reinvested into marketing and becomes its own self-fulfilling organism I guess.
Samuel: Yeah exactly and we’ve broken it down into two main areas. One is we may want to go aggressively for growth and the other is we want to go for profit. A lot of people say they want both which we try to understand and appreciate but…
Geoff: If you aim for both you’ll get neither?
Samuel: Yeah it’s kind of like that and it’s very hard to balance all the time. You’re not going to hit breakeven every month. You can be either up or down a bit but if you got that bigger picture or bigger plan in mind for actually building a real business in 1 to 5 years then you are going to win in the long run.
Probably half the reason why that’s true is nobody else does it. Most people think they simply have to go out and setup a website, then what?
Geoff: Yeah that is exactly right. I really find what you said about the cultural difference between face to face brick and mortar companies and online companies – the fact that they are willing to spend $500 on a filler art, building an online office, hiring staff and so on but only willing to spend only a couple thousand dollars on a website. The expectation that it’s okay for brick and mortar companies to take 2 to 3 years to break even but no online advertising must break-even in one month. There are different expectations…
Samuel: Yeah and the industry strategy cleaned up a little bit – even 3 or 5 years ago there are still a lot of people out there pushing ideas like “push a button and you’ll be a millionaire”.
Geoff: Yeah and that stuff just drives me crazy. I call them internet marketing cowboys. They are the ones that generally have long copy websites with big headlines like “We guarantee you this” and “Just push a button and it is a money-making machine”. It’s basically a giant scam and the best rebuttal that I can give for those kinds of claims is that I personally know some of the smartest internet marketing people in the world from Silicon Valley and people who are running some of the world’s best companies. These people are struggling and finding it difficult to gain a competitive edge. If these PHDs who are absolute geniuses with every skill in the book are finding it difficult and challenging enough to oftentimes fail 9 out of 10 in Silicon Valley – How is it possible for you who have no computer experience whatsoever, let along internet marketing experience can just push a button and make money. It just doesn’t make sense in terms of economics. If it was that easy then everyone would be pushing that button until that button is dead and no longer worked.
Samuel: I think that button died…
Geoff: Yeah it died in 1997 when all we had to do back then was sell pixels. Have you ever heard of that million dollar webpage that sold pixels?
Samuel: No I haven’t.
Geoff: Do you want me to tell you? Well it was basically a website called themilliondollarwebsite.com or something like that. All they did was sell pixels on their website. A pixel is a small dot with a particular color. He would sell 20 x 20 pixels which is a little square that can have your name, logo or whatever in them. He sold each pixel for a dollar and it was a thousand pixels wide by a thousand pixels long.
This was way back in 1997 when everything was like a wow on the internet. He made a million dollars just by selling pixels and it was just a single page picture basically.
Geoff: Yeah and there were a lot of copy cats that tried to it again to no avail because it was a novelty. To have the first mover advantage on the Internet you will have to do something revolutionary to be able to get that fad or novelty.
Samuel: Yeah and bringing up the first mover advantage is a good point as well because we are still in the gold rush days. There are people who might have a sports store online but it doesn’t mean that you can’t do things differently or think creatively and take up a massive amount of market share. We’re moving away from direct selling towards the indirect or peripheral selling.
Geoff: Can you tell the audience more about that? What do you mean by that?
Samuel: Let’s see how to best explain it – the market has a life cycle or start of a new market. Let’s say for example that you decided to put up a sports store online and there are no other sports stores online, you can basically say…
Geoff: We sell sports stuff online and that’s enough to convince them.
Samuel: That is exactly it and then you move through the phases. The next phase is to say something like we sell things that will allow you to go have fun and keep fit.
Geoff: Stating the benefits and getting them more emotionally connected with what you are selling as opposed to just saying we sell shoes and XYZ competitor is just not doing the effective copywriting and selling the indirect benefits.
Samuel: Exactly then as it progresses it becomes important to realize that you are taking to educated people whereas at the start you were talking to less educated people. When it was a brand new thing it was enough to say “we sell sports goods” but when you are talking to more educated people you have to talk to them about…
Geoff: Why they should choose us?
Samuel: Exactly and particularly our market is a good example – everyone out there is saying we sell SEO and put you on the first page of Google blah blah blah. Today you have to go well past that to stand out and be different. Have different conversations with people. Conversations today are not just one on one and you can have conversations online through social media, blogs or a copy on your website. You need to have abstract and high level conversations about why you are different and how you are going to provide them better benefits.
Geoff: I think this is great because it shouldn’t be that easy. You shouldn’t be able to simply say that we sell sports stuff online and people just come to you. I think the fact that competition is forcing people to be more creative and think about things like – Where is the value? What do our customers really want? Asking them questions and actually delivering what they want. What’s your pain and how can I help you? What makes you tick?
I think that’s really good because that’s innovation and what’s out there is going to better serve the business environment, the economy and the community. It’s a good thing.
Samuel: Exactly and we are now moving into what I call the Review Revolution wherein you got 3rd part endorsements coming in more.
Geoff: Coming from your customers and not just newspapers or radios. It’s directly coming from the community of buyers.
Samuel: Exactly and before in the early stages of the market it depends on what market you are in and if you are in a brand new market this is probably not as applicable as opposed to something like a sports store that has been around for awhile or internet marketing that are already well established.
There are some stats released last year wherein something like only 30 percent of people actually believe advertisements seen online.
Geoff: Yeah and there are a lot of interesting analysis on banner blindness and essentially how little people see – not because they block it or they install plugins but because psychologically they’ve been trained. If there’s something that looks like a service type and its blinking at you, don’t look at it. That’s why I really like what you said before about indirect marketing.
My attitude about that is selling online these days isn’t just about saying that we have the best cheapest products and we deliver it faster or whatever. It’s about the experience and relationship that you have with someone. It’s about customers willing to pay 30 percent more if they know that their product comes from a company that they like and respect. Just because you are on the internet doesn’t mean it’s not relationship selling.
Samuel: Exactly and just like what you said it’s a really good point. We definitely don’t recommend that our clients get into bidding wars because you can’t…
Geoff: You can’t win online. There will always be someone who is willing to take less money and cut some corners. We can’t compete with online startups in Asia who are willing to offer their products 30 percent cheaper because they are only paying their staff $2 an hour.
Samuel: Yeah that’s right and as internet marketers we have to be a little bit smarter in how we position ourselves and how we have those conversations as they say – putting in little mechanisms. For example in the case of eCommerce clients, one very simple thing that we can do for them as we rake them in is that part of the buying process. Once someone has actually bought the product they’ll get an email confirming that they’ve bought the product and that sort of stuff but then you send a follow up email saying something like “Hey John, I was just wondering if you got your product and if you’re happy with it? Are the shoes what you’ve expected?”
Geoff: Absolutely or you might say “Hey I noticed that you chose the latest model of Nike, if you want you can get some socks that go with it to complete the package”. Giving that level of personalization that a storekeeper would give and actually being human. It doesn’t take long to send an email and customize a sentence or two but that level of appreciation and relationship that you can build with your customers saying “wow there’s a real person and someone actually cares about my order”. That really stands out in this highly automated world and it doesn’t take much.
Samuel: Exactly and once you open up that conversation they might tell you things like “You told me its 5 days shipping but it actually came at 7” It’s good feedback for your business and tells you that you need to fix this – simple. That person was happy with everything else but disappointed that we weren’t able to deliver on time
Geoff: That’s a really good point.
Samuel: Take that feedback and then use it to improve your business instantly. Going forward you’ll get even more happy people so everything else was good before…
Geoff: That’s right and snow ball of word of mouth and positive relationships just continues to roll down the hill. I think that one of things you mentioned about collecting feedback and asking customers to be a responsive, agile and caring business who actually listens to their customer’s needs. I think the Internet has actually made that a lot easier despite people saying that the Internet is so cold, emotionless and no relationships so I don’t know what my customers are thinking. It’s actually the opposite!
If you look at Google Analytics report and look at the path that users take as they go through your website – Where are they exiting? What search terms are they using? How are they browsing? There are tools like Heat map Analysis where you can see where is the mouse moving and where are they clicking. You can actually watch videos of people interacting with your website and so on. You can’t get any of that in stores.
Samuel: No not at all and that brings up a whole new point if people are not tracking all this sort of stuff because the world of internet marketing is very complex and there is so much to know but it becomes easy if you got the proper metrics tracking in place for you to know exactly what is going on with your business.
Geoff: The challenge is analyzing it though and in my experience I’ve never met a client who could effectively analyze Google Analytics and find actionable conclusions from that.
Samuel: So it needs smart people like you though to translate it into normal world speak. The main point is that all that data is there – age, sex, buying habits, what websites they like, how long they spend on your website, why they left your website. It’s all there for the taking.
Geoff: I think some people might find that a little bit scary but the way I look at it is if you can understand your customers, you can actually give them what they want. Isn’t that what they want? They want to be given what they want. If you understand that if you run a targeted advertising campaign on Facebook for example and you’re specifically targeting female athletes in New Zealand, you know that you can provide them with the landing page and experience that they are looking for which is going to save them time and give them what they want. That is a good business and being a good member of the community by creating more solutions instead of problems.
Samuel: That is exactly right and if someone comes to you with a problem that needs solving, you are doing them a disservice by not solving that problem faster. There was this woman athlete who was having a problem with her legs which affected her running. She might need the exact shoe that you have to help deal with her leg injury or whatever it might be and run at a faster rate and do things better or just spread the love to the world from there. However if you are not advertising specifically to them you are not going to make a sale and her problem is not going to be solved. It’s a lose-lose situation.
Privacy this and privacy that – Google knows all about you anyway…
Geoff: Absolutely. It can be a little scary and yes there is a reason to be concerned and keep those things in balance but the reality is that the end result, you are going to get a personalized service on the Internet. The advertisements that you see are going to be relevant to you and solve your problems.
I don’t want to see advertisements about buying a wedding dress. I want to see advertisements about things that matter to me. I’m glad that you agree and as long as there are people out there who keep that level of awareness but in the end you need to embrace the personalization and embrace the relationships that you are going to have with individual customers on an individual basis. That is where CRM systems come in particularly the rise social CRMs where you can actually understand the psychographic and demographics, learning style, the motivations, rejections and fears of your customers. Amazon and Netflix have been great case studies of that.
Samuel: Yeah cool!
Geoff: So I want to ask you one last question before we wrap up. What would you say to this sports store if they say “Hey, I got a 500 grand budget, it’s all yours” – can you quickly list some of the things that you can quickly offer right off the bat? I guess I’m asking what you can offer or what are the services that you offer at Think Big?
Samuel: Well first as I’ve mentioned before is the whole strategy which understands who the target market is and how you are going to reach them as well as what problems you are going to solve for them. If you don’t do that initially then you are cutting your potential profits dramatically. I can’t stress that enough and there are many people who are in a hurry to get their websites up but that’s not what’s going to make you money. Websites don’t make money.
Geoff: They haven’t even spoken to their customer and asked what they are looking for in a website. What makes a good website? What would our website have to look like to make it a website that you would buy from us? They don’t ask those questions so they are not going to get the right answers and not get the right results.
Samuel: That is exactly it and as I said earlier websites don’t make money. It’s just a conduit for the client to connect to you and give you money for you to solve a problem for them. You know everything in life where there is money or value exchanged; it is exchanged because there is a problem being solved. It doesn’t matter if you give them by charity but basically that’s what it comes down to.
Moving on from the strategy we can then build a website around fulfilling the way that your target market is going to want it. You want to absolutely run your own website and completely own that space.
Geoff: So you would give that sports store training on how to do blog posts or record their own videos and have control of their message. Is that what you are saying?
Samuel: Yeah exactly and that is something that we strongly believe in so much to the point that we give clients self-host websites which they completely own and they should because they are paying for it whereas a lot of other web design companies out there and this is something that most people don’t know – they build it on their own CMS
Geoff: Yes proprietary systems that they can’t leave and move on to another web designer. The scary thing is that the web designer owns the copyright so you don’t even own your own business. That is scary and I strongly advise proactively stating “I am the client, I pay the bills and I own the copyright. I have complete control of the source code and I can move to other web designers if so choose”. Good point and I couldn’t agree with you more!
Samuel: Yeah and so we have the website and we are looking at where the target marketing market and what to implement
Geoff: So you would do things like search engine optimisation to get people who are searching for Nike boots or whatever and do pay-per-clicks to do more targeted marketing like Facebook. So you do all that advertising stuff including email marketing and reputation management?
Samuel: We absolutely do
Geoff: So I guess Think Big is as you said the integrated kind of solution! So ThinkBigOnline.com is perfect!
Geoff: I really enjoyed our chat today Samuel and I think the audience would agree that you are the real deal. Thank you for your time and I’d love to have you back on the show sometime and further chat!
Samuel: Yeah that would be a pleasure and that would be great. Thank you for your time!
Geoff: Cheers! All the best! Goodbye.
The 4 guest speakers that will be discussed today are;
You can read more about the strategies Samuel and other authors share at https://www.thinkbigonline.com/its-that-easy-book
Steve: Hi its Steve Brossman here from Business Online TV. Now I got my web guru here but I call him a business growth strategist who actually specializes in online integrated marketing. Welcome along Samuel Junghenn!
Sam: Thanks man!
Steve: Sounds like come on down doesn’t it? (Laughs)
Sam: Yeah, the price is right! (Laughs)
Steve: Now your business is called Think Big Online and from what you tell me you have people come in fixated in certain small things and you actually get them to think bigger and therefore you really over deliver with some of the stuff that you do for them?
Sam: Yeah absolutely! We have a lot of people I guess come to us and they’ve heard that social media is hot right now and they need to be on Facebook or Google is doing wonders at the moment. It’s the next best trick in overnight successes. They really come in not being able to see the forest from the trees and that’s where we help to sort of expand their vision about what is really possible for them online.
Steve: Now we hear a lot about SEO experts, Pay-per-Click experts and social media experts. All of those bit and pieces on their own can only deal with certain things but what you do is you actually look at the business – you look at what are those that should be used but most importantly whatt you do that most other people don’t do is that you integrate them and that’s the key to your success isn’t it?
Sam: Yes absolutely and once again I think that a lot of people come in thinking about certain verticals and those verticals are great but when you can try two, three or ten of them together you get multiplied results that end up with exponential results on income than what you would get using one or two channels.
Steve: Now he does sound like a geek and this guy really does know his stuff and you’ve actually put a tool together that I’ve had a look at and it just blew me away how this works.
You can actually plug in what people are doing. They might be doing x amount on Facebook or x amount on SEO and things like that and you got a score that you can write like their “getting found” score but the way that you can integrate them really just multiplies that score and as you just said, multiplies their return on investment just by plugging them together.
Sam: Yes absolutely and it’s a proprietary tool that we’ve developed in-house. Like Steve said, it enables us to determine how well they’ve integrated their marketing. Whether they are using Facebook, Google or e-mail marketing – we can give them a pretty accurate score and star rating. It’s a true reflection of how well they are doing with their online marketing.
Steve: Now when people come to you I guess they do come to you talking about tools and taking about bits and pieces of marketing out there but really what they want is more people paying more money more often.
That’s what a business really wants isn’t it and so you sit down and you actually look at the business and say what is the best way to get the best quality people to you and how you can handle them once they are there. That’s pretty unique instead of just saying okay we can give you more clicks or better returns on your pay-per-click but you actually look at it from the business sense more than anything else.
Sam: Yeah particularly a classic example would be with SEO or search engine optimization – people might come to us and say “We want to be first on Google! We want to be first on Google!” Everyone wants to be first on Google but it’s not about being first on Google. It doesn’t matter if you are number one if you don’t have a good website to backup the traffic that comes through from having those rankings.
If you don’t have the proper call to actions or follow-up with e-mails and offers, the number one ranking doesn’t matter squat. You can send a million visitors to your website tomorrow but if you don’t have everything setup and integrated properly then it’s a total waste of time and money.
Steve: Yeah there’s no sense spending a buck a lot of money over here just to have it wasted there and you look at the big picture and say what is the best spend or what is the best bang for your buck and how can you actually get more people paying you more money. That’s the bottom line really isn’t it?
Steve: Yeah it’s not all about just the web stuff that these very businesses are entitled
Sam: Yeah and I think that’s where we are different in that we track everything to the end point. If clients would let us, we track everything from phone calls to actual sales that they make whether they are in the service business and if they are on online retail then we track everything through the sale so we can pinpoint exactly where the sale is coming from and what caused that to happen.
Steve: Now you were telling me earlier about some fantastic case studies of people that have come to you and you’ve saved them a lot of money and made them a lot more. Can you share a couple of those?
Sam: Yeah sure! So one that comes to mind is we had a big law firm that came to us. They had an okay website and they tried to manage their Adwords campaign themselves. Google likes to make it look very easy and they say you can setup your Adwords campaign. It’s kind of like saying you can go and become an artist – here’s some paint and a canvass so now you’re a painter!
Steve: Google makes it very easy to blow all over the money very quickly with Google Adwords. That’s how easy they make it and that’s why they make it easy but you’ve turned all that around for them.
Sam: Absolutely so when we took them we were spending around 5 and half thousand per month with Google and over the period of 6 months we reduced that campaign spend to about 2 and half thousand dollars and we managed to double the amount of leads they were getting as well so pretty much they are about 4 times better off than before they came to see us.
Steve: Well it’s always good to get a professional in because doing it yourself is some of the great ways to lose money.
You think you are doing okay or you think we got a campaign going and we are getting people so we say wow that’s as good as it gets but when you get a professional in to say well we can make it better or I saved them money and saved them time because they didn’t have to do it themselves. There’s a factor as well that you didn’t have to put into that. The time that they spent on that and the return on investment was absolutely phenomenal.
Sam: Yeah absolutely and I guess it comes down to the different levels of awareness – There are things we know we know, there are things that we know we don’t know and there are also things out there that we don’t know we don’t know and it’s those things that we can help people with and bring it to their awareness and help them.
Steve: Which is why you are sitting here and we are doing stuff together because there’s a lot of stuff that I know I that I don’t know that I know you are really good at that I don’t even want to touch. It’s just like saying you’re the man and you can do all that.
Now if you want to talk to Sam or get in touch with him and his fantastic team because you have a great team that you are working with both here and overseas. We’re going to have your web details across here which is…
Sam: ThinkBigOnline.com and if you go there you can have a look a bit more in depth about what we do. Drop us a line either through phone or e-mail and one of our specialists can take the time to do an audit on your website and your marketing strategy to see the things that you don’t know you don’t know I guess.
Steve: Yeah and be able to just look at it from the business point of view using the tools that people had heard of on the online space. That’s probably the biggest difference that we can point out is you look at it as a business. How can we help you make more money and by the way you can use all the stuff that we are good at – makes sense?
Sam: Absolutely! We won’t work with people that we don’t believe we can make money in all seriousness and there are a number of people that we’ve had to turn away because we feel it’s not ethical. Your marketing should be self-funding and you only market to make money at the end of the day so…
Steve: That’s what it’s all about. Thank you so much for coming and we better get into some of the work that you’ll be doing for me. We’re going to have another fantastic interview coming for you guys coming up real soon. Cheers!
Recently I was asked to do an email interview, the reporter sent across their questions and I sent back my answers. As I was writing the answers I realized they’d be relevant for everyone, so here they are:
What Sort Of Products Should A Business Be Selling With Email?
In principle there are no products or services, which can’t be sold via email. I’ve worked with businesses selling managed account services, kids toys, beauty packages, business services, real estate and much more.
With that said though, there are some guidelines you should be following as a business owner. If you’ve got a new prospect on your email-marketing list then don’t try and sell them your most expensive product straight up. Take time to build a relationship with them and offer them your lower priced products first.
Remember, if you’re trying to make a high value sale then you need to invest more time into the relationship. You need to build points of trust with your potential customer so you can then call them to action on your sale.
Should The Nature Of The Medium Attract Different Sorts Of Promotions To The Rest Of The Business?
Email marketing offers you a direct line to your customer, generally they are going to open and respond to the offer quickly. As such you should be encouraging quick and decisive actions through your promotions. If they open an email and don’t take immediate action, the likelihood of them taking action in the future is significantly reduced.
So when crafting offers to go out over email ensure the following occurs:
How Should The Language Change With Sales Emails?
This really is a difficult question, in essence a sales email should read similar to any other email you’re sending to your database. You don’t want to change style and language just because you are selling as it won’t seem authentic.
The best kind of sales email is one that is conversational and descriptive but leaves a few unanswered questions. By leaving those questions in the mind of the reader they will want to find out more, thus visiting your sales page.
Which Combination Of Elements Compels Recipients To Click Through And Actually Buy Something?
Buying out of emails is no different to buying from web pages or even buying in person you need to:
How Do You Keep The Attention Of Curios Sign-Ups Long Enough To Actually Convince Them To Become A Customer?
To keep your potential customers engaged you have to be willing to provide relevant non-sales content. I’m not talking about just a list of tips, or a few ideas, but you need to convey great actionable content in the form of stories.
Use real life examples of clients you’re currently working with or hot media topics to convey to the reader the points you’re trying to share. Not only that but link the emails together, so include in each email a bit of a precursor of what to expect in the next email.
To get ideas for this, watch TV shows, and just before they go to the break, some will show you a snippet of what to expect after the break. The same concept that works for TV shows will also work for emails.
Here is a great interview I did with Facebook marketing queen Leigh Kostiainen.
Look forward to your thoughts below